Thursday, August 10, 2006

Chertoff, Gonzales, United Kingdom, liquid explosives (VIDEO)

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Secretary Chertoff and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales (DHS Photo/Bahler)Remarks by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, United States Attorney, General Alberto Gonzales, FBI Director Robert Mueller and Assistant Secretary for TSA Kip Hawley, FULL STREAMING VIDEO

Secretary Chertoff and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales (DHS Photo/Bahler),
For Immediate Release, Office of the Press Secretary, Contact 202-282-8010, Washington, D.C. August 10, 2006.

Secretary Chertoff: Good morning. We'd like to provide you with the latest information that we have on recent events in the United Kingdom, and an update on the actions that we are taking to protect our citizens and to keep air travel safe and secure. We want to be as open as possible with the public about the facts; at the same time, it's important, I'm sure you'll understand, that we preserve confidentiality of matters that are necessary in order to complete this investigation. And we also have to respect the demands of the British legal process, which puts certain restrictions on what can be said about ongoing cases.

As I think you're all aware, British authorities have arrested 21 individuals who are now in custody who are alleged to have engaged in a plot to detonate liquid explosives on board multiple commercial aircraft departing from the United Kingdom and bound for the United States. This plot appears to have been well planned and well advanced, with a significant number of operatives. The terrorists planned to carry the components of the bombs, including liquid explosive ingredients and detonating devices disguised as beverages, electronic devices, or other common objects.

While this operation was centered in Great Britain, it was sophisticated, it had a lot of members, and it was international in scope. This operation is, in some respects, suggestive of an al Qaeda plot, but because the investigation is still underway, we cannot yet form a definitive conclusion. We're going to wait until all the facts are in.

We believe that the arrests in Britain have significantly disrupted this major threat. But we cannot assume that the threat has been completely thwarted, or that we have fully identified and neutralized every member of this terrorist network.

There is currently no indication of any plotting within the United States; nevertheless, as a precaution, the federal government is taking immediate steps to increase security measures, with respect to aviation.

First of all, the United States government has raised the nation's threat level to our highest level of alert -- Severe, or Red -- for commercial flights originating in the United Kingdom and bound for the United States. We've made this adjustment to coordinate our alert level with that currently enforced in Britain. In Britain, as you've heard, they are now operating as their highest level, which is called Critical.

Second, as a precaution against any members of the plot who may still be at large, and recognizing the fact that we still have yet to take the investigation to its conclusion, we want to make sure that there are no remaining threats out there, and we also want to take steps to prevent any would-be copycats who may be inspired to similar conduct. Accordingly we are raising the threat level, or we have raised the threat level, with respect to aviation in general, to High, or Orange. That will cover all in-bound international flights, other than flights from Great Britain, and it will cover all flights within the United States itself.

We're taking some additional specific steps. In light of the nature of the liquid explosive devices which were designed by the plotters, we are temporarily banning all liquids in carry-ons in aircraft cabins. That means no liquids or gels will be allowed in carry-on baggage. Any liquids or gels have to be checked have to be checked as part of baggage to go into the hold. There will be exceptions for baby formula and medicines, but travelers must be prepared to present these items for inspection at the checkpoint, and that will allow us to take a look at them and make sure that they're safe to fly.

We are taking this step of preventing liquids from getting into the cabin to give us time to make adjustments in our current screening tactics, based upon what we learn from this investigation concerning the nature of the devices that these individuals were constructing.

We might also add that in order to expedite and ease the process of going through this new screening regime, travelers would be wise to pack as lightly as possible for their carry-on, and to minimize clutter so that we can make the process go more quickly.

Additionally, the Transportation Security Administration will be implementing a series of additional security measures, some of them visible and some of them not visible, to ensure the security of the traveling public and the nation's transportation system.

TSA is immediately implementing these changes to airport screening, including the prohibition against liquids and gels of any kind in carry-on baggage. And apart from these other measures, federal air marshals are being sent to the United Kingdom to provide expanded mission coverage for flights between the United Kingdom and the United States.

United States Customs and Border Protection will be increasing enforcement efforts in the international arrival areas, including the use of advanced targeting tools; special response teams, including baggage and aircraft search teams; baggage x-ray equipment; specially trained canine units; and explosive detection technology. These measures, again, will be constantly evaluated and updated as circumstances warrant.

Now, we recognize these measures are going to be inconvenient. But they are proportionate to the very real threat to the lives of innocent people that was posed by this plot. And what is important here is that we are taking every prudent step to thwart new tactics of terror. Today, air traffic is safe. And air traffic will remain safe precisely because of the measures we are adopting today. People should be patient, but they need not cancel their travel plans. They simply need to be aware there may be some delays and they may want to check with their carriers to see whether they ought to adjust their arrival times at airports.

As always, we ask the American public to remain aware and vigilant, and report any activity that they think is suspicious to local authorities or other appropriate law enforcement agencies.

The work in this investigation has been a remarkable example of interagency coordination in the federal government. We've had numerous intelligence components and law enforcement components working together seamlessly in a coordinated fashion to address this emerging threat and to take the steps necessary to protect the American public from it. I also have to give special thanks to our partners, the British government. They have been terrific, in terms of close information sharing and close coordination, recognizing that both countries, which are bound together with great common feelings of culture, are also, unfortunately, bound together by being targeted through terror. But because of the close working relationship between the British government and the U.S. government, we have managed to make sure that the people of both countries and the people of the world are safer.

The American public can be assured that the United States government will continue to do everything in its power, under the leadership of President Bush, and in cooperation with our British and other allies, to defend our nations and our world. We will continue to provide updates throughout the day and the next few days, as appropriate.

And now I'd like to turn to Attorney General Gonzales.

Attorney General Gonzales: Thank you, Michael. Let me begin by repeating and emphasizing something that Secretary Chertoff said, and that is, we have a very serious investigation that is proceeding in the United Kingdom. And we want to be very, very careful, as we try to inform and educate the American public, about saying too much that might, in any way, jeopardize that investigation or subsequent prosecution. And so we ask for your patience in asking and receiving information. We'll try to be as forthcoming as we can, as quickly as we can. But again, we don't want to do anything that may, in any way, jeopardize or adversely affect an investigation or prosecution in the United Kingdom, or perhaps even in this country.

Now, since 9/11, the threat reporting has consistently shown that there is a vicious and determined enemy that is intent on harming American lives. And every day is September 12th for those of us tasked with protecting America. And we know that our counterparts abroad feel the same way.

Today's announcement is a true testament to the hundreds of hours of patient work by British authorities. Their vigilance has led to the unraveling of this deadly plot by terror cells based in the U.K. -- a plot, as Mike indicated, designed to detonate bombs aboard commercial airliners en route to the United States, potentially killing hundreds of innocent people. On behalf of the American people, I want to thank the British authorities for their tremendous efforts to disrupt this deadly scheme.

Although the law enforcement investigation is ongoing, I want to update you on the preliminary information that we have available at this time. We will, as Secretary Chertoff indicated, continue to provide additional information as it becomes available. The perpetrators who were arrested overnight were extremists who had gone beyond just stating a desire to kill Americans. Their plotting turned to action as they took several steps to carry out their deadly plan. Their focus appears to have been on the use of liquid explosives.

We are still assessing the links to al Qaeda. However, a plot of this sophistication is suggested of al Qaeda tactics, as Secretary Chertoff mentioned.

From the beginning of the investigation, we have been in constant contact with our counterparts in the U.K. We share the same philosophy of prevention, a sense of urgency to dismantle these terrorist cells before an attack occurs. The FBI and other law enforcement intelligence agencies have worked closely with our colleagues at MI-5 on all aspects of this case, and they have aggressively pursued every domestic lead that has arisen from the intelligence that led to these arrests.

As Secretary Chertoff said, while there is currently no indication of any plotting within the United States, the federal government is taking immediate steps to increase security measures in the aviation sector. The FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the entire intelligence community will continue to aggressively pursue every lead and shred of intelligence that arises from this or any other terrorism case. This has been our practice since 9/11. And today is no different from any other day, in that sense.

The American people should know that everything that can be done to protect them is being done by law enforcement and intelligence professionals around the country and abroad. We ask that people continue on with their normal lives, but with some extra patience as the professionals do their jobs, especially at the airports around the country.

As we have stated many times before, we are a nation at war. Today's actions are a stark reminder that the threat is real and that we have a deadly enemy who still wakes every morning thinking of new ways to kill innocent men, women and children, and dreams every night about wreaking the destruction on freedom-loving countries.

Our enemies should know that we are just as equally intent on stopping them. We will continue to work around the clock with our colleagues around the world to dismantle their operations one person at a time.

Assistant Secretary Hawley: First, I'd like to thank the traveling public and our partners at the airports and airlines, law enforcement and our own transportation security officers and all the people involved in this change-over. It normally takes us about four weeks to roll out a change at a security checkpoint, and this one came about in a little bit more than four hours in the middle of last night. And so this was a surprise to many of us, and as such is difficult to implement. And I think we are going to see over the next day or two as the public becomes aware and we all get used to the process that it is going to get better, but in the next couple of days, we ask for your patience, and we thank you for your understanding.

This was strong and immediate action, and it was cooperative with -- among airlines, airports, law enforcement to do much more than you can see at the checkpoint. These changes sound complicated, but it is very, very simple. The major change is that passengers are no longer allowed to bring liquids through the checkpoint and onto the plane. That is the big change. Other than that, it is getting used to the new process. And we're very confident that as time goes one, that will occur.

A couple of pointers: de-clutter your bag. If you let the TSOs have a clear view of what's in the bag with their x-ray, you'll move right on through. That is something very easy to do as you pack your bag -- leave the liquids at home, drink them, de-clutter your bag.

And last, I'd say enjoy your trip. I think this is what TSA was created for -- to be flexible, to work with others in the community, to scale up security where needed in certain areas and be flexible and adjustable. And we look forward to delivering on that commitment.

Secretary Chertoff: Let me just echo that. It does seem a little odd maybe to hear somebody say enjoy your trip, but the whole point of this exercise is to continue to maintain the level of safety and security in air travel in this country that we have had since September 11th. Now, sometimes to do that, we have to be taking steps that do cause a little bit of inconvenience. But with patience and with cooperation -- and so far I think we've seen that from the traveling public -- what we will deliver to the public is the thing which is most important, which is the ability get on the plane, get about your business or enjoy your holiday and do so with confidence that we are searching out people who want to do harm to innocent travelers.

Let me just introduce everybody else up here, and then we'll take some questions in various people's area of expertise. We have Marian Blakey, who is the head of the Federal Aviation Administration; you know Bob Mueller, the Director of the FBI; and Scott Redd, who is the head of the NCTC. So with that, if you'll raise your hands, and I'll direct questions.

Yes, Pete.

Question: Mr. Secretary, you talked about the design of the devices by the plotters. Can you say whether they went beyond the design stage and had actually built their devices? And can you say whether they had made reservations, bought tickets? How far along were they?

Secretary Chertoff: I would say that this plot was well advanced. In other words, they had accumulated and assembled the capabilities that they needed, and they were in the final stages of planning before execution. I don't want to get very specific for investigative reasons about each individual step. But this is not a case where this was just in the initial thought stage. There were very concrete steps underway to execute all elements of this plan.

Question: So they had built the bombs?

Secretary Chertoff: I'm not going to get that specific because I'm going to honor that original observation I made about not compromising the British case or the investigation, but they had accumulated the capabilities necessary and they were well on the way. This was a well advanced plan.

Yes.

Question: Secretary Chertoff, you praised British authorities. What do you know about when they learned about this plot? And when did they inform the United States?

Secretary Chertoff: Let me -- again, I'm going to be a little bit circumspect and say that some of the threads which led to this investigation have been pursued by British authorities for a considerable period of time. However, it is only recently -- certainly within the last two weeks, maybe less -- that the investigation revealed that this planning was taking the direction of targeting the United States. And so in that much more recent period of time, we've obviously become much more involved from the United States' standpoint and been working much more closely with the British to follow what appeared to be an accelerating plan to carry out a very, very serious terrorist act.

Yes.

Question: I wonder if we could talk about the upcoming anniversary of 9/11, and whether this was in any way related to that? Was that a possible target date? And if not, can you say anything about when this plot would have come to fruition? And speaking of 9/11, can you compare this plot with that one in terms of scope -- the number of airlines, the number of planes, the number of potential victims and so forth?

Secretary Chertoff: That's about five questions. We're all obviously mindful about September 11th. I can't tell you that that was a particular date that was in the mind of the people involved in this plot, nor can I tell you that they would have waited that long. I think we were really getting quite close to the execution phase. I can tell you our general experience, certainly when you deal with al Qaeda -- and again I want to caution that we've not yet concluded this is al Qaeda -- but our general experience is that they're not necessarily motivated by anniversaries the way sometimes people project.

In terms of seriousness, it's obviously hard to compare a plot that was frustrated, thank God, with a plot that was unfortunately executed. It is reminiscent -- but again, I don't want to overdraw the comparison -- with a plot that was hatched by Khalid Shaykh Muhammad in the 1990s, in which he envisioned detonating bombs on I think it was 11 airliners, many of them traveling over the Pacific. And that's been well publicized, so that's obviously a known historical fact.

Yes.

Question: Mr. Secretary, maybe you -- Mr. Mueller or Mr. Redd might answer this -- if this isn't an al Qaeda footprint, is there any evidence that leads you to believe that there is -- there are other organizations with the capability to do something like this?

Director Mueller: Well, this had the earmarks of an al Qaeda plot. As the Attorney General and Secretary Chertoff have said, we have no indication at this point in time of plotting within the United States aligned at all, or at all intersecting the plotters in the U.K. But that does not mean that there are not others around the world that have the same aspirations and would undertake the same type of plotting.

Question: You mentioned the 11 planes in that -- in the KSM plot -- do you know how many planes were actually targeted in this plot? And can you give us the airlines that were targeted, as well?

Secretary Chertoff: Again, the investigation is still at a relatively early phase. The British are conducting the investigation. I don't feel that we can confidently give you a number. Clearly what was envisioned were multiple explosions in multiple aircraft. But I think it would be speculative for us to come up with a number -- to fix a number onto that.

Question: Can you name the airlines, at all?

Secretary Chertoff: What I prefer to say is this: It's clear that they were searching to look at possible options, in terms of scheduled passenger airline flights. It does appear that towards the end, shortly before we brought this down, they had focused on a number of airlines involved, which have specific routes between Britain and the United States, and which are U.S.-flagged carriers. We have talked to the airlines in question. In fact, we've talked to all the airlines that operate internationally and domestically because we want to make sure that everyone is fully aware of what the dimensions of this planning was. And I can tell you the airlines have been very, very deeply committed to working with us to elevate the level of security to protect their passengers.

Beverly.

Question: Mr. Secretary, there is so much emphasis here on liquids. Was the fear that they were planning actually to assemble a bomb on board the aircraft by mixing liquids?

Secretary Chertoff: I would say certainly one of the considerations or one of the concerns we had is the possibility of bringing on board a number of different components of a bomb, each one of which would be benign, but when mixed together would create a bomb. And as we assess exactly what the design of these devices was or the plan design was, I think it will give us a better ability to tailor our countermeasures in order to pick up what appears to be a quite sophisticated conception of how to execute a terrorist bombing plot.

Yes.

Question: Regardless of whether this does turn out to be al Qaeda or not, could you talk about the suspects in Britain, and whether those people were homegrown folks who -- are British citizens or from Britain, as opposed to people who came from elsewhere and moved there?

Secretary Chertoff: Yes, I think we're going to let -- this is really a sensitive area for the British legal system. I think we're going to let them discuss the nature of the defendants. But I do think a point that's very important is this: This was a very sophisticated plan and operation. This is not a circumstance where you had a handful of people sitting around coming up with dreamy ideas about terrorist plots. The conception, the large number of people involved, the sophisticated design of the devices that were being considered, and the sophisticated nature of the plan all suggests that this group that came together to conspire was very determined and very skilled and very capable.

And the reason I emphasize that is become we are taking some very serious and inconvenient measures, and I think the public is entitled to understand we're doing this because we recognize this was a plot that is certainly about as sophisticated as any we've seen in recent years, as far as terrorism is concerned.

Question: When the threat alert system was created, the Red level was supposed to indicate an imminent threat. Do you believe that there's an imminent threat against the United States at this point? If not, why didn't we just go to code Orange like we did a year ago? And from your viewpoint, what's the difference in operational levels between Red level and Orange level?

Also, a quick follow-up. Are there any concerns about threats against any other modes of transportation in the United States?

Secretary Chertoff: What we tried to do this year, as we did last year with July 7th was to be as precise and sculpted as we could reasonably be, in terms of the alert level. We did go to Orange in the aviation system domestically and every place outside of flights from Britain to the U.S. precisely because we have no specific indication of a threat in those channels of air travel. But given what we don't know, and given the possibility of copycats, we thought it prudent to raise the alert level generally in aviation. We don't believe that logic extends to raising it generally in the country.

Now, as far as Red, the British made a determination -- and obviously they are in the best position, given their knowledge of what's going on in their investigation -- that even with the 21 arrests, it is still prudent to consider the likelihood of attack at being at the highest possible level for travel from Britain to the United States. And I think that, based in significant part, certainly, on that judgment, and with our own assessment, that seemed a prudent step to take with respect to this fairly defined subset of air travel, which was, after all, the objective of a sophisticated plot.

Question: So, in other words, there's no evidence right now to indicate that there's going to be an imminent attack on the United States?

Secretary Chertoff: I would say that with respect to travel from the U.K. to the United States, given the fact that the arrest activities in Britain are still underway, prudence suggests that we treat that particular route of travel -- U.K. to the U.S. -- as being at the highest level of being under threat.

Apart from that, we're certainly at a heightened alert-level elsewhere, but we don't have any specific reason to believe that there is a threat to other routes of air travel. But, again, we always have to be careful that -- we don't necessarily know everything. We're going to learn a lot more in the course of the investigation, and I would rather have more protection and then scale it back as we become more reassured than underestimate the problem and find out, God forbid, that we have made a tragic mistake.

Yes.

Question: Mr. Secretary, because you said the substances were benign, is there any type of detection device that we have or could be created to detect these liquid explosives?

Secretary Chertoff: Well, here's where I'm going to resist the temptation to give a recipe to terrorists about how to try to maximize their ability to succeed. Obviously, we're always assessing and examining the challenge posed by different kinds of improvised explosive devices. We do use various kinds of techniques for different kinds of bomb-making, but when we do see a sophisticated design, we want to make sure that we have properly engineered our countermeasures to be able to detect it.

And so while we're in the process of assessing that -- and, you know, honestly, some of these are pretty difficult -- we want to, frankly, take the most protective stance, and that's why we have, for the time being, excluded liquids from the cabin.

Yes, in the back.

Question: Yes, are the air marshals just going to Britain for flights coming this way, or are they going to other European cities, as well?

Secretary Chertoff: Well, we have air marshals all over the world. We're going to continue to have air marshals operate in the system, but we will be focusing, at least in the short term, on putting extra air marshal resources in this particular route because we know this was the focal point of the conspiracy that is in the process of being disrupted.

Question: Mr. Secretary, just back to the Red versus Orange -- the Red would seem to indicate that you or the British authorities believe that some of the people involved are still at large. Is that the case? Or is this just precautionary?

Secretary Chertoff: I think it's a recognition of the fact that, particularly at this stage of the arrest and the takedown, there is sufficient uncertainty about whether the British have scooped up everybody -- that we do think it's prudent to regard this particular target, this particular route, as still being at the highest level of risk. It doesn't mean that we know for a fact there are people out there who are still active, but as anybody who's been involved in these investigations knows, we're going to learn more things, and the British are going to learn more things in the next hours and days.

And given the amount of planning and effort that was put into this plot, I think it would be a little bit risky to assume that everything is shut down and the threat has gone away. So, you know, we spent a lot of time thinking about this. We certainly put a great deal of weight on the views taken by the British because it is, after all, their investigation. Principally it is their -- the folks who are on the ground, and certainly when they express a concern that prudence requires the highest level of protection and the highest level of concern for this particular route, I think we're well advised to give a lot of weight to that. ###

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State Department Daily Press Briefing, VIDEO, PODCAST, TEXT, 08/10/06

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Daily Press Briefing, Spokesman Sean McCormack, FULL STREAMING VIDEO, file is windows media format, running time is 16:18 PODCAST, file is mp3 in m3u format for streaming playback, running time is 16:18, DOWNLOAD, file is mp3 format for PODCAST, running time is 16:18, Washington, DC, August 10,, 2006

Department Spokesman Sean McCormack (shown during the  Daily Press Briefing) was sworn in as Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and Department Spokesman on June 2, 2005. Immediately prior to returning to the State Department, Mr. McCormack served as Special Assistant to the President, Spokesman for the National Security Council, and Deputy White House Press Secretary for Foreign Policy. State Department Photo by Michael Gross.Department Spokesman Sean McCormack (shown during the Daily Press Briefing) was sworn in as Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and Department Spokesman on June 2, 2005.
Immediately prior to returning to the State Department, Mr. McCormack served as Special Assistant to the President, Spokesman for the National Security Council, and Deputy White House Press Secretary for Foreign Policy. State Department Photo by Michael Gross. TRANSCRIPT:, 12:48 p.m. EDT.

MR. MCCORMACK: Good afternoon, everybody. No opening statements. We can get right into your questions. Who wants to start?

QUESTION: Well, on the terror threats, the French Minister is saying the suspects are of Pakistani origin. Does the U.S. have any idea of the origin or the identity or the nationality of the --

MR. MCCORMACK: Well, I'm sure intelligence and Homeland Security people have a lot of information that, at this point, they are not at liberty to share in public. I think the British authorities made clear that this is still an ongoing investigation and an ongoing operation, so far be it for me to breach their desire not to talk in more detail about this terrorist plot which was apparently foiled. And President Bush has spoken to it. Secretary Rice has been involved in the briefings via the Homeland Security Council meetings both this morning as well as earlier this week.

Our role in this, Barry, is doing what we can, working with the Department of Homeland Security, Department of Justice, and other U.S. Government agencies to support their efforts. Homeland Security has the lead in this regard. The Embassy of London and our consular affairs people here are doing everything that they need to do in terms of helping American citizens who may be waylaid in their travel schedule. Thus far, there have not been -- there really hasn't been any noticeable increase in the number of calls coming into the Embassy of London or to our call center either from families or from -- for travelers.

We are advising -- we have put out a public statement which you all have available to you. I think it has a lot of information in there about what numbers people can call if they are interested in finding about the travel situation. We would advise people before getting -- going out to the airport to check their travel schedules. Because of additional security measures, there are some longer waits. I think people will appreciate the fact that those people doing the additional security checks are doing those for their safety as well as the safety of their fellow passengers.

QUESTION: Is the U.S. Embassy in London functioning the normal way?

MR. MCCORMACK: They are functioning. I believe all offices are open. Barry, of course, in these kind of situations, you know that the emergency action committee gets together, they assess the situation that -- for people not familiar with the term, basically, what it is, it's a -- the heads of the departments of the various parts of the embassy, they get together and talk about the threat situation, assess their security posture based -- against that threat information and if need be, make any changes. I think that they have been in -- done what they think they need to do, Barry. They've been working very closely with British authorities as well.

Okay.

QUESTION: Move to Lebanon?

MR. MCCORMACK: Sure.

QUESTION: Apparently, the French are circulating -- not a new draft, but a new paragraph in a draft resolution that, instead of calling for an immediate Israeli withdrawal, with the cessation of hostilities, would call for -- simply for the start of an Israeli withdrawal. Are you -- apparently, that's been sent to capitals. Have you seen that? Has that been discussed by Secretary Rice? What's the U.S. view on that?

MR. MCCORMACK: We're -- a few things. One, obviously, we are working very, very hard on the diplomacy. Secretary Rice -- I was counting up her phone calls just yesterday and I don't think I have them all, but at least 11 separate phone calls with her counterparts and foreign leaders just yesterday alone. She has also had a number of phone calls today. She's been in contact with John Bolton up in New York, who is working with his French counterpart, as well as other Security Council perm reps. David Welch is in the region. He is in Jerusalem today, I believe. So we're working this issue.

And we believe that we are having good discussions with the French, as well as others, in coming up with a resolution that we think can be implemented effectively, that would bring an end to large-scale violence, as well as lead to a lasting, durable cessation of violence in the region and bring greater stability to that area of the world. We want to make sure that anything that is tabled, that is voted upon is something that meets the criteria that we have talked about for some time. We've talked about the issues of Israeli withdrawal and the timing of the Lebanese armed forces as well as the international forces taking over that territory. That continues to be one of the key issues that we're working on and it's important to get this right, because it's one thing to have words on a piece of paper and it's another thing to have those words be able to be implemented in a way that is effective and gets you to the solution that you want to get to. So we'll continue to work the issue. I don't have any comment for you on specific language.

QUESTION: (Inaudible).

MR. MCCORMACK: I know. There's a big wind-up, it's a big wind-up, so that's what I got for you right now.

QUESTION: Just one follow-up on that?

MR. MCCORMACK: Sure.

QUESTION: Was one of the phone calls yesterday between Rice and Mr. Olmert?

MR. MCCORMACK: Yeah, she did speak with Prime Minister Olmert.

QUESTION: And was he speaking to her in a security cabinet?

MR. MCCORMACK: I don't know. You'll have to ask the Israeli Government where he was when he took the phone call, but they did talk yesterday, yes.

QUESTION: What is the U.S. understanding of what expansion means of Israeli -- expansion of the Israeli efforts in Lebanon?

MR. MCCORMACK: You'll have to talk to the Israeli Government about their military operations, Barry.

QUESTION: Well, I don't mean which town or village.

MR. MCCORMACK: No, no, I understand.

QUESTION: Because the Administration now has taken a turn toward criticizing -- it sounds like criticizing -- speaking out against expansion; the very word, of course, that's used to describe the Israelis' military plans. And I wondered if that is based --

MR. MCCORMACK: I don't know. Where did you get the criticism from?

QUESTION: I think Tony Snow said -- well, criticisms may not be the right word. But, you know, we’d like not to see expansion.

MR. MCCORMACK: Right.

QUESTION: And expansion happens to be the word. So it’s sort of --

MR. MCCORMACK: Well, any time -- I’ll just share with you, Barry, every time I’ve been asked about expansion. My understanding of it is expanding beyond the current theater of operations, which is Lebanon. The question has always come to me in terms of expanding military operations into Syria. And we have heard in public from the Israeli Government that they have no intention of expanding the conflict. In terms of what their intentions are with a more robust ground force operation, you’ll have to talk to the Israelis about that. I’m not going to talk about their military operations.

Libby.

QUESTION: Are there any plans in place for the P-5 Ministers to get together and meet even if a resolution is not quite done yet?

MR. MCCORMACK: I think they have been having -- they have had almost continuous meeting as far as I can tell up there in different configurations. I think that the P-5 did meet yesterday.

QUESTION: At the minister’s level?

MR. MCCORMACK: At the minister’s level? Well, presumably if we had a minister’s level meeting, we would either have agreed upon a resolution or would be very close to agreeing upon a resolution. At this point, we don’t have anything scheduled up in New York, but Secretary Rice is certainly prepared to travel up to New York either to vote on a resolution, or if need be to work out any last-minute details. But I will say that we are fast approaching a time when countries need to take stock of the situation before them, what is -- what the possibilities of a resolution are, a resolution that could be implemented effectively. And the time is coming when countries are going to have to decide one way or the other which course we’re going to take.

We are working that diplomacy very hard and we are hopeful that we can get a resolution that will lead to a durable, lasting cessation of violence.

We've talked quite a bit over the past several weeks about the elements, what the elements of such a resolution would be.

Teri.

QUESTION: Is it your understanding that it will remain as originally envisioned, two resolutions with the -- with more specific details about the makeup of the force and the deployment details in the second resolution?

MR. MCCORMACK: At this point, Teri, it could be one resolution, it could be two resolutions. I think from our point of view, what matters is the outcome and the practical effect on the ground, so I think that people are looking at both of those options at this point.

QUESTION: But there is a significant difference if it's two because then you have a period of waiting in between the resolution that may be passed in the next couple of days and the details on setting up the force, right?

MR. MCCORMACK: Well, again, the long pole on the tent would be how long it takes to generate and deploy an international force. It's not necessarily how long it takes to pass a resolution. You can pass a resolution in 24 hours if you want to. So it's really a matter of -- it's really a matter of the practicalities on the ground, how quickly can you generate and put in place and deploy an international force so it would start to flow in with the Lebanese armed forces so you would have that deploying/withdrawing dynamic underway.

QUESTION: So the U.S. would want at least that much detail, that much certainty about the international force, in the first resolution if there were to be two?

MR. MCCORMACK: Again, we are -- you know, again, we are working on various ways to approach this. The diplomatic situation is fluid. It has been very intense over the past few days. Lots of different drafts going around, lots of different versions of sentences and paragraphs, to get at these ideas, to encapsulate these ideas. So I'm going to defer from any specific comment on any particular approach, only to say that what we are interested in regardless of the mechanism of one versus two resolutions is what is the outcome, what is the practical effect of being able to implement the words on those pieces -- piece of paper or pieces of paper.

QUESTION: Sean, the Israelis said that they were going to wait to start a larger ground offensive to let negotiations play out a little bit more. As far as you understand it, is that a result of heavy U.S. pressure to get them to wait a little bit?

MR. MCCORMACK: The Israeli Government makes its own decisions about military operations and what it does to act in its own self-defense. Those are decisions for Israeli leaders to make.

Lambros.

QUESTION: On Iraq?

MR. MCCORMACK: Sure.

QUESTION: One more on Lebanon?

MR. MCCORMACK: Oh, okay. Sorry.

QUESTION: What's the schedule this afternoon at the UN, as far as you understand?

MR. MCCORMACK: I'm not sure that it has been set. I think that they're -- it can only be described as a number of different meetings ongoing. I can't tell you what has been scheduled for when.

QUESTION: You're not going to participate in the international force in the south of Lebanon, no?

MR. MCCORMACK: That's correct. You know, certainly we will do what we can to help out in terms of the planning of such a force. Assistant Secretary John Hillen -- he's our Assistant Secretary for Political-Military Affairs -- has actually over the past several days been in touch with UN officials about what is required of such a force, what such a force would look like and how to go about generating that force. He's an expert in these kind of matters. He's written extensively on it, has a lot of experience as well, a former military man. So we are participating in that way.

The question of whether or not the United States would have actual boots on the ground, the answer to that is no. There would be -- but there have been a number of countries who have expressed an interest, a real interest in participating in such a force. I think it's understandable that they want to understand a few more of the details and understand exactly what their forces would be asked to do and under whose command. But there are real offers of interest on the table right now.

Lambros.

QUESTION: Turkey.

MR. MCCORMACK: Turkey.

QUESTION: But it's related with Lebanon and Iraq. According to the Turkish press all the U.S. military material, including bombs and ammunition items in your bases in Incirlik which has been closed forever, has been transferred in the recent days to Israel via the soil of Republic of Cyprus for the Israeli war in Lebanon. This claim has been provoked a statement by your Consulate in Adana, Turkey, Eric Green, who stated, "I believe that the allegations that a U.S. military ammunition was being taken to Greek Cyprus are not true." Do you have any idea what it's all about?

MR. MCCORMACK: No. You can talk to the Department of Defense. That sounds like something that they would handle.

QUESTION: And also, the Iraqi city of Kirkuk is disputed from three different group, as you know very well -- Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen -- and the referendum is set up for 2007. But Ankara today is seeking a postponement of the referendum, saying that the demographic structure of Kirkuk has been altered due to a massive Kurds inflow into the city since the U.S. war in Iraq and would distort the outcome in order to become a city controlled totally by the Turkmen. What is the U.S. position vis-à-vis the referendum since, as I understand, Mr. McCormack, you are in favor for a unified and not a partitioned Iraq?

MR. MCCORMACK: You know, we want the Iraqis to work this out. There's a mechanism by which they can do so. Certainly, we are there to offer our advice and counsel. But any lasting and durable solution to the very difficult problem of Kirkuk is going to have to be an Iraqi one. And certainly the Iraqi leadership is aware of that and they are prepared to begin to take a look at how to resolve it.

QUESTION: And one more. According to Kurdish report, Massoud Barzani said for the last two days the Turkish artillery fire PKK targets in northern Iraq and the local villages describe the artillery fire coming from the Turkish side from the border was very heavy. Do you have anything on that?

MR. MCCORMACK: I can't verify those reports. Of course we -- what we have been working very hard to do is to have the trilateral mechanism --

QUESTION: Yes.

MR. MCCORMACK: -- with Iraqi, American and Turkish participation to work out any problems. PKK is a terrorist organization, in our view, and we are dedicated and have dedicated ourselves to working with both governments -- Iraqi and Turkish -- to see that this terrorist organization is dealt with.

QUESTION: Thank you.

MR. MCCORMACK: Sure. Okay.

QUESTION: One more question --

MR. MCCORMACK: No, no.

QUESTION: Important, important, very important.

MR. MCCORMACK: All done.

QUESTION: It's human one, human one.

MR. MCCORMACK: Okay.

QUESTION: A human one.

QUESTION: You don't need him on camera, do you?

QUESTION: It's for Sunday. Twenty-five thousands of HIV/AIDS researchers and advocates are going to gather in Toronto, Canada, Mr. McCormack, for the 16th International AIDS Conference this coming Sunday. The theme of the conference "time to deliver" reflects both the frustration and the hope of the international AIDS community. Any comment for this very important upcoming event, since the U.S. Government is very involved after the (inaudible) in order to find a solution?

MR. MCCORMACK: Look, the only thing that I can say is that I don't think that there's any other American President who's done more to fight the scourge of AIDS. In terms of the resources dedicated to the global fight against AIDS, we have been an early participant in Secretary General Annan's global AIDS fund. We ourselves have dedicated a massive amount of resources to fighting the scourge of AIDS and other diseases around the world.

QUESTION: Thank you, very much.

(The briefing was concluded at 1:02 p.m.), DPB # 134 Released on August 10, 2006

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